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    Favorite PCP gun.

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    pcp4me
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    Favorite PCP gun.

    Post by pcp4me on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:07 am

    When it comes to pcp guns I have only two. A .22 caliber Discovery with power mod and 3 screw trigger mod both done by me and a stock Sumatra .177 carbine. Arrow

    Both have adjustable power, adjustable objective scopes mounted. Question

    Both are my favorites. The Discovery has the advantage in weight, at under 7 # scoped and loaded and locked! The Sumatra 2500 R has the firepower advantage with six quick shots from it's revolving cylindrical magazine. sunny

    As soon as possible want a Crosman Challenger 2009 three position 10 meter rifle and a P-rod pistol! queen

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    Post by longhunter on Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:37 pm

    my favorite is my AAA Condor by Tony at Talon Tunes. that thing is an absolute jackhammer! i haven't seen too many guns that can come close to it at long range, 100-150 yds. proper shooting technique is a bit of a learning curve, to be sure, but i wouldn't trade it for any other gun i can think of. it still has around 29 fpe. at 200 yds., more than enough to anchor a groundhog with a well placed head shot ( the accuracy is well within those limits if i do my part ).

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    200 yards?

    Post by pcp4me on Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:01 am

    I have to admit I am a REAL skeptic when I see such claims. The drop alone at 200 yards has to be 100 inches or more. Wind drift is variable, so I would think you would have to resight your gun each shot.

    I am from Missouri and it is not called "the show me state" without reason.

    So until I SEE some one hit a ground hog at 200 yards first shot I do not believe it can be done. The variables are just too many.

    I would bet you 98%+ of all air gunners could not even do it at 100 yards!! lol!
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    Re: Favorite PCP gun.

    Post by Squirrel on Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:39 am

    pcp4me wrote:I have to admit I am a REAL skeptic when I see such claims. The drop alone at 200 yards has to be 100 inches or more. Wind drift is variable, so I would think you would have to re-sight your gun each shot.

    I am from Missouri and it is not called "the show me state" without reason.

    So until I SEE some one hit a ground hog at 200 yards first shot I do not believe it can be done. The variables are just too many.

    I would bet you 98%+ of all air gunners could not even do it at 100 yards!! lol!
    Hmmm, not sure what to say here but good shooting? Too, you have to take into account that just saying an AAA Condor by Tony at Talon Tunes doesn't really do the statement justice. Ask Neil what a hot .45 can do from Will Piatt. A good tune and in the right hands can do magic, brother!

    Not going to say it can't be done: I've seen videos on the web about air gunners doing those kinds of ranges. Hit and miss though. But that's a LOT of FPE, you have to admit. Have you used a trajectory tool like Gun Chair Pro to do the math on what it takes to get that kind of FPE at that range? What the FPS would have to be? I you do, posting the numbers would help people from the "show me" state understand a little more about it.

    But I'm one of those 98% that can 't make t that kind of shot. I've done 70 with a hot .22 and a hot .25 with semi light pellets and a lot of FPS. But I'm not accurate enough to claim it all the time. It's a luck shot mostly when I do. Besides, I don't get game to cooperate and give me a good shot without wind and/or sit still long enough for me to have to give up my bead and reacquire my target two or three times. I'm a mess at that kind of range, I tell you!

    But at 25 and 35 yards? I'm a killa! Look out you garden thieving tree rats! Better not come 'round here 'cause I'll getcha for sure! Twisted Evil

    Longhunter's been around for a while. I'm sure he's on the up and up on his shot claims. They don't call him by that name for nothing Exclamation

    PCP4me, I'd thought you'd fell off the end of the earth! Glad to see you are still breathing!


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    Re: Favorite PCP gun.

    Post by longhunter on Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:52 am

    never said i did, said it was possible if i did my part. second, with a 100yd. zero, drop at 200 yds. is 60" from line of sight. that means point of impact is 24" below my bottom post on my mildot scope, which equates to a 12" or 96 1/8th inch click elevation correction to bring p.o.i. level with the bottom post. i would not attempt such a shot in anything but near perfect conditions, little or no wind and an absolutely clear field of fire. oh, and by the way, i misquoted myself, the retained fpe. at 200yds. is 20 fpe. not 29. 29 fpe. is the retained energy at 150yds., sorry.
    on an aside, my shooting "range" is an old gravel pit on my son-in-law's property. our max range is around 160yds.. there is an old pile of wood chips at arange of 142yds., lasered, my grandson and i play a game of "chip shot", we line wood chips across the top of the pile and shoot 'till you miss. my best ,so far, is 17 in a row. my grandson is getting better, last time out, he nailed 7.
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    Re: Favorite PCP gun.

    Post by Abda on Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:30 am

    See, told ya so! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy (rub, rub Razz )


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    Re: Favorite PCP gun.

    Post by jaycee2010 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:29 pm

    Hey you guys go check out Youtube, there is a person on there shooting a 12fpe HW and hitting cans at 200 yards so for you none believers a video might show it can be done, and with a sub 12fpe air rifle too. I thought it impossible myself but I don't believe someone is going to go to all that trouble to fake it. Check it out and see for yourselves, JC

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    Well you know what they say? ALL things are "possible"

    Post by pcp4me on Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:24 pm

    Longhunter,

    A lot of things are "possible" but improbable. Yeah I once hit a crow with a .22 lr at a paced 500 yards. But the stupid crow let me take 19 shots at it before the last one connected! I just kept raising the cross hairs and firing, Even had to reload my 10 shot magazine once to do it. No wind that day so that was not some thing I had to deal with.

    Does that qualify for a "good shot"? If I had connected with the crow on the very first shot, yes! But it took 19 shots so no!

    So I stand by what I said before with a slight modification. I won't day it can't be done! Rather it is not probable that it is done or can be done on a repeated basis consistently.

    That said, if I had a REALLY good rifle (which I can't afford) and a REALLY good scope (which I can't afford) and a really solid bench rest (which I might could afford but don't have} and had the gun sighted in at 200 yards I do believe I could hit most of 10 shots on a wind free day! sunny

    So is it possible. Sure! But when do you have all the conditions out in the field that I mentioned above? Highly improbable. pirat

    However, I do believe longhunter is a really good shot from what he says. And Longhunter, if I ever get enough money to get a really good airgun and scope I hope you would give me advice which are good for long range.
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    Re: Favorite PCP gun.

    Post by Abda on Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:42 pm

    jaycee2010 wrote:Hey you guys go check out Youtube, there is a person on there shooting a 12fpe HW and hitting cans at 200 yards so for you none believers a video might show it can be done, and with a sub 12fpe air rifle too. I thought it impossible myself but I don't believe someone is going to go to all that trouble to fake it. Check it out and see for yourselves, JC
    But you didn't give us a link! I'm lost! Where is it? Help out an old one eyed man find his way? Crying or Very sad


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    Re: Favorite PCP gun.

    Post by longhunter on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:33 am

    most of my long range experience was gained at my father's tutoing. he was a sniper in WWII. we used our deer rifles in the summer for woodchucks, back in Pa.. i had a Ted Williams 30-06 with a Weaver Alaskan 4x scope. my longest kill was 740 yds. one shot. my father routinely took 8 and 900 yd. shots on chucks. one shot, one kill. know your gun, learn the variables, and practice, practice, practice. that was my father's way, and that is how i do it. i taught my daughter to shoot when she was old enough to hold a gun up by herself, when she joined the army, she out shot her instructor 40 for 40, every time.i don't just talk the talk, i can walk the walk.

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    Post by jaycee2010 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:25 pm

    Sorry Abda it was something I had seen and just thought I would mention it as I never in my wildest dreams thought you could hit the side of a barn at 200 metres with a sub 12fpe air rifle. It takes the guy a couple of shots but he hits them, and more than once. So I would assume with a 35fpe air rifle or higher you should be able to make 100 yard shots on a regular basis. Here is the link, not impressed, then try making a shot that long with a sub 12fpe air rifle. As a Brit I know how hard that is as that is all we can use over there without a fire arms certificate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMCiMk6w_wU&feature=related

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    Post by Squirrel on Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:37 pm

    jaycee2010 wrote:Sorry Abda it was something I had seen and just thought I would mention it as I never in my wildest dreams thought you could hit the side of a barn at 200 metres with a sub 12fpe air rifle. It takes the guy a couple of shots but he hits them, and more than once. So I would assume with a 35fpe air rifle or higher you should be able to make 100 yard shots on a regular basis. Here is the link, not impressed, then try making a shot that long with a sub 12fpe air rifle. As a Brit I know how hard that is as that is all we can use over there without a fire arms certificate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMCiMk6w_wU&feature=related

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    I think that's good enough to post here!

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    Post by roachcreek on Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:50 pm

    My Favorite PCP is the Airforce Condor for now, but that is always subject to change. I like the Condor for the power, I am primairly a hunter these days, having left my competitive phase of life.
    So for me these days it is killing power, for small game to some of the largest animals walking the earth, if your using air, nothing beats a Condor and its mods.
    I have hit 120 FPE with Jerry's slugs and a modded valve, with a Condor 22, my longest hit on a bird was 148 lasered yards, probably luck more than skill, but then it takes some skill to get close.

    However with just a 25 cliber barrel change and no valve mod, I can kill out well beyond 100 yards

    With a Airarcher kit,and in the right venue to do so, I can kill anything that walks. The Airarcher will throw a broadhead on a 16 inch shaft at 500 FPS, and do it with arrow shaft splitting accuracy at 25 yards, and shoot far better than a compound bow past 60 yards.

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    Post by Abda on Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:03 pm

    My, my! I want one!

    Impressive!

    I'd say more but I'm pressed for time (what *is* that anway, no one seems to have any of it!)

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    Re: Favorite PCP gun.

    Post by StubExt on Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:54 am

    Stubby Extreme/Hi-Flo .25! Accurate, powerful, compact. pretty quiet (with shroud),doesn't break the bank, Maddog stock (ergonmic and well balanced - not nose heavy like the front bottle guns), and completely customizable. I swap tank valves depending on the application. About 35 fpe with the Hi-Flo but 60+ shots. About 57 fpe with the Extreme valve and 20+ shots.


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    My favorite...

    Post by PETER on Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:09 am

    I was asked just that at the range today---man is it hard to pic ONE What a Face -I love my Evanix Rain for the power and accuracy and the light weight. I also love my Career 707 for it's power and accuracy ---and I love my HW-100 for it's power and accuracy ---and I love my 410SL for it's power and accuracy --I love my Falcon Prarie for it's power and accuracy ---and I love my BSA Super ten for it's power and accuracy --and my Webley Raider for it's power and accuracy--and I love my s-200 for it's power [19fpe] and accuracy--and I love my FX Monsoon for it's power and accuracy--and I love my AA410 and my other 410SL and my other 410SL and my other 410bolt and my other 410 bolt and my 310 and my FX Tarantula and TAU 300 and EV2 and MPR and --and--and--I think I'm in love affraid I think the point i'm trying to make is; there are a lot of good quality airguns to pick from and enjoy the skill and the sport of shooting and hunting.

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